"There was a product called the Trojan Horse Board, which is the idea of putting a Mac and a plug-in card in a PC. We actually made it work. I hired a great, very small team and then discovered that marketing at Apple was pretty poor and they weren’t going to release it. They were afraid of the product. It was again this big corporate stuff. It was like, oh my god, this will put a Mac where the sun doesn’t shine. It was weird. "